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    Charlie James
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    “How many kids staring at their iPads are even aware that they can grow up to be a stonecutter, a traditional carpenter, a mason?”

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    Good question, Charlie. OTOH, if stonecutters, traditional carpenters, and masons had iPads as kids, how many would have opted for careers as stonecutters, traditional carpenters, and masons? I don’t think iPads and social media are the culprits here. It is more likely due to the lack of opportunities for today’s kids to get hands-on exposure to the trades.

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    Mike, I had to look up OTOH! That’s his quote but like you say, kids definitely need more opportunities to learn the trades in schools. Most kids of this generation are good at using Ipads,Iphones, computer programming, games, etc but don’t know a thing about physically fixing anything with tools. It’s not their fault, most schools just don’t teach shop anymore. I majored in wood shop, metal shop, printing shop and electric shop. If I didn’t have those classes I’d still be in high school!

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    Respectfully (as respectful as I can be), I think you’re both wrong. It’s been proven. Kids, and plenty of adults spend way too much time on gadgets and social media. Being proficient at it doesn’t make it a good thing. Parents take the bulk of the blame for not getting involved and limiting the time spent on devices. Who hadn’t heard their parents forcing them away from the TV and outside to play? How about parental interaction and getting kids involved in something other than their own selves. You are more than welcome to blame the school system and its leadership (or lack of). They sold our kids a bill of goods and took away their creativity. There are plenty examples of things that can or should be good for us which are easily abused and made to look like the culprit. “Social Media” is an inanimate concept. IT doesn’t make you do anything. You have to tell a child not to walk into the street, it’s dangerous. They don’t know that on their own. Conversely, you need to expose these skills to your kids and show them the beauty of opportunity. That’s what you got Charlie. It wasn’t the classes that made you. They only SHOWED you what was available. You took the path. (And walked pretty well, I must say.)

    I’ll step off my soap box now.

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    Charlie James
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    Joe, I hate to say it but you’re right. Well, kinda, sorta, almost. I automatically blame the schools because that’s where the introduction to shop can begin if it’s not introduced earlier. If it’s done early enough it can spark a lifelong interest. Now, just like when I was a kid parents were busy and you got your introduction to the trades by watching someone at work and that was good enough to get the wheels turning. If you were lucky a neighbor or relative introduced you to woodworking, etc. Now, I’d say more kids play on computers rather than the streets.

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    There is a latin phrase (which I just made up) that probably explains more of the decline in the trades than we care to admit: Omnia vincit inertia (inertia conquers all). Success in the trades requires perspiration and practice.

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    Charlie James
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    Mike, I like it! You forgot to add money to the equation. Either you need people willing to spend money for quality or the worker having the money to buy tools to build quality furniture. I know you can build with hand tools but you won’t make any money unless you have a customer that’s willing to wait…

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