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  • #2002
    Joe Bottigliere
    Joe Bottigliere
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    I’m in the market for a set of quality forstner bits. I considered Fisch, but they are on the pricey side. Can anyone make a recommendation? Is anyone familiar with the Lee valley bits? Thanks.

  • #2003
    Michael Luciano
    Michael Luciano
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    I have a set of Freud which has given me good service. The set was a gift so I do not know the pricing. What I like is that the set of drill sizes increase by 1/8 inch, no bits that I will never use. My set goes from 1/4″ to 1″.

  • #2004
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    Charlie James
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    Christmas is coming so how about you drop some hints…..Not to me of course..

  • #2008
    Joe Bottigliere
    Joe Bottigliere
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    Subtly is lost on you, Charlie. Why do you think I put this out there. Just in case any of you guys were wondering what to get your good ol’ buddy …

  • #2009
    Daryl Rosenblatt
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    First you ask for quality, then you complain about the price of quality. There is just no pleasing some people. I have a solution. For only about $7500 you can get a medium sized metalworking lathe, and a good milling machine. Add maybe $750 for the accessories you will need, plus $2000 for a power feeder if you get lazy. Now add maybe $100 in raw materials (assuming you pick it up, saving on shipping and a minimum order. Then you can, after spending a few long weekends in the shop (per bit) make your own high quality high speed steel forstner bit for only $20 per bit. This is a real savings, since you don’t have to charge yourself for labor. And wait! There’s more! You can make bits for others, and in about 175 years, you will break even.

    Kidding aside, I still have and use my cheapie imported set from many years ago. I just don’t use them enough to justify the high cost. Freud on Amazon (and I assume they are made in China, not Spain) run $52. The Fisch is $250. It’s like any tool, you use it a lot, spend more. I spend more on brad point bits than any other kind, they get used a lot.

  • #2014
    Joe Bottigliere
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    All good points, Daryl. I’m not really complaining about the price, but like so many things you could just throw more and more money at it to ensure you get GOOD quality. Not necessarily GREAT quality. But being responsible is just as important. Could we find a product that performs well at a reasonable price? We should.
    No, I don’t use these bits all the time. I really can’t justify spending $15-$20 a bit for something that might sit there for 6 or 8 months when spending $10/bit will perform nearly as good. They may not have the longevity of the pricy bits but they wouldn’t get used often so they should last.
    I have a cheap set and it works ok. But I need something a bit more accurate or clean cutting. I was hoping someone out there already found something they trust.
    And you can get a decent lathe for $1500 and still afford the necessary grinding equipment to make those $20 bits.

  • #2020
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    Charlie James
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    When I first started woodworking I bought sets of bits, etc. Now I don’t buy a set of anything unless it’s some kind of sale that makes it worth it. I’ll just get the size (s) I think I’m going to use most and chalk it up. I’ll pick up forstner bits at garage sales if I happen to come upon them but who waits for a garage sale to make a project?

  • #2027
    Joe Bottigliere
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    Well, Charlie, that’s exactly what I did. It’s one reason it took me so long to finish this latest project. I don’t advise it, though. I had to wait for three different sales to get the tools I needed. Who would have thought it so difficult to find one sheet of 220 grit sandpaper at a garage sale??? Next time I’ll just buy the 100 grit and wait until it wears down to the right grit!

  • #2041
    Ben Nawrath
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    I found a set of Porter Cable (I think…) bits on the clearance shelf at home depot several years ago. Clearance shelves are hard to come by sometimes it seems, but keep your eyes peeled. It looked like someone had taken one bit out and used it and returned it, so I figured if that one bit out of 10 or whatever was dull, I’d sharpen or replace it. They cut clean, have a hex shank, and come in a nice case. No complaints, and I think they work better and have stayed sharper than the orange case “workforce” ones I replaced. The only dedicated forstner bit I’ve purchased is an oddball size for a clock movement. I can snap a pic of it sometime if you want, just shoot me an email.

  • #2046
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    Charlie James
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    Joe, I waited for a garage sale and bought 2 pieces of 80 grit even though I needed fine. I rubbed it on the tree outside until the paper dulled enough to use it. The tree is very smooth now, I hate rough bark, and I got an extra piece of fine paper put aside! I was thinking of buying a large diameter forester bit and drilling thousands of holes until it reduces in size. I’m not sure if that will work though. Any ideas?

  • #2049
    Joe Bottigliere
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    I am always impressed with the innovation of woodworkers! Great tip Charlie. I’ll be sure to try that sandpaper trick. As for the bit, I’m not sure of the effect multiple holes would have. I would be sure to use a hard wood since a soft wood might not apply enough pressure on the bit to shrink it. Let me know how you make out.

  • #2050
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    Charlie James
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    I am trying to reduce the diameter of the bit with a heavy sandpaper from a garage sale.I have to be careful that I don’t ruin the paper for future use so I only hold it on the bit for a minute or two at most. The bit and sandpaper smoke a lot and they get very hot but I don’t think that matters too much. It should only take a few days but I can have the exact size I want when I’m done!

  • #2051
    Joe Bottigliere
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    Genius! I think you could save a fortune by purchasing in bulk. Buy only large bits in large quantities then reduce their diameter to the appropriate size. If you do need to increase the diameter, you can always add JB Weld epoxy to the perimeter to get you there.
    Perhaps we can market such a system for mass production. A new concept in the adjustable bit.

  • #2052
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    Charlie James
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    I am waiting for a garage sale to purchase some more paper. My hand does become hot when I hold the paper against the bit. Do you suggest I buy a block of wood at the next garage sale to hold the paper? What kind of wood? This will increase the cost of the manufacturing process and I will have to pass it on to my customers…

  • #2053
    Daryl Rosenblatt
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    I don’t think it’s necessary to go to a garage sale for what we call in the trade “abrasion wood.” Home Depot sells it in their lumber department. You can find it labeled poplar, oak and maple, and it will come in many lengths and widths. However, as this “abrasion wood” is generally warped, they are really meant to be cut into small lengths for such work. The grain is so uneven and friable it works without sandpaper, so Charlie, this will be a savings for your customers. Abrasion wood works especially well on Chinese Faux Steel products, which is softer than Abrasion Wood.

    This is an advantage for sales, since you can still bill the customer for all new products, instead of trying to justify reworking used items, however well they are made.

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